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	<title>Comments on: ATR 91 &#8211; diluting feminism, Michelle Obama, the Manchurian candidate</title>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?! We can&#039;t say &quot;whitey&quot; now? Drat. Now I have to find more creative ways to mock my people.

Michelle Obama 2022? We can dream. Painful though the primary was, even from a distance, it was heartening to have such a discourse about misogeny v. feminism. In my circle, it has led a lot of previously intimidated women to identify as feminists.
However, a lot of that got lost or negated in the stupid fighting over who &quot;owns&quot; capital-F Feminism, as a theory and a movement.  

I have been a proud Feminist since I first heard the word at age eight. I have friends and second cousins who are the prototype of the wealthy white older women who love love love Madame Clinton and who are vowing a revenge vote for McCain, for whom abortion rights are THE issue, who dealt with a lot of discrimination for being &quot;career women&quot; in their generation. I can respect and admire but not relate to them, but I feel they don&#039;t return the favor, and brand me an Uncle Tom of the Cunthood for supporting Obama. If people prefer to focus their stands on specific issues, I totally support them, but they shouldn&#039;t bash those of us with more multifaceted agendas. I think the reactions of that demographic rather expresses their own personal demons, ie &quot;well-intentioned white liberals&quot; who are kinda racist but feel guilty yet defensive about it. 

Carmen, nong lai Sanghei hai you ning hui gang Naguning! Naguning! It&#039;s Shanghai, they love whities and hunxies, it&#039;s a compliment.

Naguning/Laowai/Foreigner is less insulting than &quot;Expat&quot; - and I was disappointed that you used it. &quot;Expatriate&quot; verus &quot;Immigrant&quot; has very racist, classist baggage. In Asia, at least, it references someone sent for a few years by their company on a &quot;hardship package&quot;. If someone from a poor brown country migrates to a wealthy white country, they must be escaping a horrible existence and planning to stay, thus are &quot;immigrants&quot;. If someone from a wealthy white country migrates to a poor brown country, they must be on a youthful lark or sent for a job, since it&#039;s soooo difficult living in them poor brown countries, so we&#039;re &quot;Expatriates&quot;. Sucks for those second, third, fourth generation &quot;expats&quot;.

You don&#039;t see racist whities railing against the &quot;illegal expats&quot; in the US. Until then, the term will continue to annoy me even more than the people who get in my face and screetch the reverse ching-chong of &quot;Haaaa Loooo!!!&quot; The two are, in my opinion and experience, related.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?! We can&#8217;t say &#8220;whitey&#8221; now? Drat. Now I have to find more creative ways to mock my people.</p>
<p>Michelle Obama 2022? We can dream. Painful though the primary was, even from a distance, it was heartening to have such a discourse about misogeny v. feminism. In my circle, it has led a lot of previously intimidated women to identify as feminists.<br />
However, a lot of that got lost or negated in the stupid fighting over who &#8220;owns&#8221; capital-F Feminism, as a theory and a movement.  </p>
<p>I have been a proud Feminist since I first heard the word at age eight. I have friends and second cousins who are the prototype of the wealthy white older women who love love love Madame Clinton and who are vowing a revenge vote for McCain, for whom abortion rights are THE issue, who dealt with a lot of discrimination for being &#8220;career women&#8221; in their generation. I can respect and admire but not relate to them, but I feel they don&#8217;t return the favor, and brand me an Uncle Tom of the Cunthood for supporting Obama. If people prefer to focus their stands on specific issues, I totally support them, but they shouldn&#8217;t bash those of us with more multifaceted agendas. I think the reactions of that demographic rather expresses their own personal demons, ie &#8220;well-intentioned white liberals&#8221; who are kinda racist but feel guilty yet defensive about it. </p>
<p>Carmen, nong lai Sanghei hai you ning hui gang Naguning! Naguning! It&#8217;s Shanghai, they love whities and hunxies, it&#8217;s a compliment.</p>
<p>Naguning/Laowai/Foreigner is less insulting than &#8220;Expat&#8221; &#8211; and I was disappointed that you used it. &#8220;Expatriate&#8221; verus &#8220;Immigrant&#8221; has very racist, classist baggage. In Asia, at least, it references someone sent for a few years by their company on a &#8220;hardship package&#8221;. If someone from a poor brown country migrates to a wealthy white country, they must be escaping a horrible existence and planning to stay, thus are &#8220;immigrants&#8221;. If someone from a wealthy white country migrates to a poor brown country, they must be on a youthful lark or sent for a job, since it&#8217;s soooo difficult living in them poor brown countries, so we&#8217;re &#8220;Expatriates&#8221;. Sucks for those second, third, fourth generation &#8220;expats&#8221;.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t see racist whities railing against the &#8220;illegal expats&#8221; in the US. Until then, the term will continue to annoy me even more than the people who get in my face and screetch the reverse ching-chong of &#8220;Haaaa Loooo!!!&#8221; The two are, in my opinion and experience, related.</p>
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		<title>By: jvansteppes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jvansteppes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that you&#039;ve noticed Michelle Obama&#039;s style because I have too. In university some friends and I used to joke about making a zine called &#039;Hot Profs&#039; featuring professors who were well dressed and attractive and who would ultimately give you butterflies in your stomach when their brilliance shone in a lecture. Michelle Obama would definitely make the front page. 
She&#039;s a threat because like Clinton [as a first lady] she challenges the role of first lady as an empty-headed Eagle Forum signatory. Perhaps she ought to disguise herself  in a pillbox hat and appear on The View giving hugs to that awful blonde lady.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that you&#8217;ve noticed Michelle Obama&#8217;s style because I have too. In university some friends and I used to joke about making a zine called &#8216;Hot Profs&#8217; featuring professors who were well dressed and attractive and who would ultimately give you butterflies in your stomach when their brilliance shone in a lecture. Michelle Obama would definitely make the front page.<br />
She&#8217;s a threat because like Clinton [as a first lady] she challenges the role of first lady as an empty-headed Eagle Forum signatory. Perhaps she ought to disguise herself  in a pillbox hat and appear on The View giving hugs to that awful blonde lady.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the informative podcasts.  They helped me get through a very long travel situation this past week.  However, I have to take issue with one comment which you made in passing.  You seemed to be criticizing those who might say that &quot;diversity is not just about race.&quot;  While I agree that it is very important that we address the significance of racism in our society head-on, I was saddened to see that you almost appeared to dismiss another significant form of oppression which is often overlooked--ableism.  You seemed to be showing some able-bodied privilege.  For those of us who are disabled, we do not have the luxury of &quot;waiting&quot; until race is &quot;solved&quot; to tackle the issue.  Ableism is affecting many people in very real ways *right now.*  I don&#039;t think we ought to be devising a hierarchy of oppression.  Ableism is also about racism and intersectionality.  I don&#039;t have exact statistics, but it seems reasonable to assume that disabled POC have even less access to adequate services and supports.  We can&#039;t analyze the full effects of racism and oppression if we assume that ableism is some secondary issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the informative podcasts.  They helped me get through a very long travel situation this past week.  However, I have to take issue with one comment which you made in passing.  You seemed to be criticizing those who might say that &#8220;diversity is not just about race.&#8221;  While I agree that it is very important that we address the significance of racism in our society head-on, I was saddened to see that you almost appeared to dismiss another significant form of oppression which is often overlooked&#8211;ableism.  You seemed to be showing some able-bodied privilege.  For those of us who are disabled, we do not have the luxury of &#8220;waiting&#8221; until race is &#8220;solved&#8221; to tackle the issue.  Ableism is affecting many people in very real ways *right now.*  I don&#8217;t think we ought to be devising a hierarchy of oppression.  Ableism is also about racism and intersectionality.  I don&#8217;t have exact statistics, but it seems reasonable to assume that disabled POC have even less access to adequate services and supports.  We can&#8217;t analyze the full effects of racism and oppression if we assume that ableism is some secondary issue.</p>
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