Comments on: ATR 59 – Self-Hatred on Tyra Show and MTV reality – 02/12/2007 http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/ Fri, 28 May 2010 12:18:48 -0700 hourly 1 By: James Hurt http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-239390 James Hurt Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:28:05 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-239390 Question? What is the word or term used for a person that dislike or hate their own race? Question? What is the word or term used for a person that dislike or hate their own race?

]]> By: Rina Alawi http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-17230 Rina Alawi Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:38:55 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-17230 i am suprised that people are self-hater it doesn't matter your skin type or anything like that you should be happy with what god gave you i am suprised that people are self-hater it doesn’t matter your skin type or anything like that you should be happy with what god gave you

]]> By: charlie mingus http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-15126 charlie mingus Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:44:31 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-15126 To all the peeps out there: Turn those television sets off! Pop t.v. is a big part of the problem. It uses race and ethnic exploitation as entertainment, nothing more. Don't look to the boob tube for any kind of redemption of your culture, it's doesn't exist. Read a book, maybe watch some PBS. Those shows are far from "reality". T.V. is the opium of the people! To all the peeps out there:

Turn those television sets off! Pop t.v. is a big part of the problem. It uses race and ethnic exploitation as entertainment, nothing more. Don’t look to the boob tube for any kind of redemption of your culture, it’s doesn’t exist.
Read a book, maybe watch some PBS. Those shows are far from “reality”. T.V. is the opium of the people!

]]> By: Norma http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-14489 Norma Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:36:33 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-14489 Long time listener, first time commenter. I love the show. As regards the podcast, I have to wonder what the mindset of MTV officials in charge of reality show casting or production really is. I think that in all-white reality shows, it may not even occur to the producers, who are most likely white, that their show does a poor job reflecting actual demographics or that they lack POC. This, to me, reflects a sort of blind ethnocentrism that is prevalant in white American society. This ethnocentrism is not born of malice or overt racism but the acceptance of whiteness as "the norm" and therefore representative of the American people as a whole. When producers do make the effort to include a token POC, as they especially tend to on The Real World, they most probably congratulate themselves for their diversity. What's more, the "token" is almost always black and every other castmate white, which implies that while the producers occasionally remember that blacks are a part of American society, they forget the existence of Latinos, Asians, and Natives altogether. This is all part of a white disconnect wherein they are largely unaware of their privelege and the long-lasting effects of racism and its prevalence today. As a high school student attending a "progressive" private Christian school which is mostly attended by whites, I'm occasionally stunned by not the racism, but the racial ignorance I encounter. The church division of the school, in honor of Black History Month, called in the successful mother of one of our black students to give a speech. After her speech, which made references to the especial difficulty of being a black woman in a white man's industry, the chaplains lauded her achievements and a few minutes later decided to begin a "special" song in honor of Black History Month. Any guesses as to what this song was? If you, like me, believed that "Swing Low" would be the last possible option, you would be wrong. I seemed to be the only one disturbed by the song choice! A crowd of priveleged Southern whites singing "Swing Low" to celebrate black history, given the song's historical context, is just wrong. This is just an example of misguided attempts by whites to celebrate diversity while remaining basically ignorant about race issues. Sorry for the long digression; again, I love the show and while I know that you've covered the topic would love to see more discussion of whites' misguided attempts at multiculturalism and "activism". Long time listener, first time commenter. I love the show. As regards the podcast, I have to wonder what the mindset of MTV officials in charge of reality show casting or production really is. I think that in all-white reality shows, it may not even occur to the producers, who are most likely white, that their show does a poor job reflecting actual demographics or that they lack POC. This, to me, reflects a sort of blind ethnocentrism that is prevalant in white American society. This ethnocentrism is not born of malice or overt racism but the acceptance of whiteness as “the norm” and therefore representative of the American people as a whole. When producers do make the effort to include a token POC, as they especially tend to on The Real World, they most probably congratulate themselves for their diversity. What’s more, the “token” is almost always black and every other castmate white, which implies that while the producers occasionally remember that blacks are a part of American society, they forget the existence of Latinos, Asians, and Natives altogether.
This is all part of a white disconnect wherein they are largely unaware of their privelege and the long-lasting effects of racism and its prevalence today. As a high school student attending a “progressive” private Christian school which is mostly attended by whites, I’m occasionally stunned by not the racism, but the racial ignorance I encounter. The church division of the school, in honor of Black History Month, called in the successful mother of one of our black students to give a speech. After her speech, which made references to the especial difficulty of being a black woman in a white man’s industry, the chaplains lauded her achievements and a few minutes later decided to begin a “special” song in honor of Black History Month. Any guesses as to what this song was? If you, like me, believed that “Swing Low” would be the last possible option, you would be wrong. I seemed to be the only one disturbed by the song choice! A crowd of priveleged Southern whites singing “Swing Low” to celebrate black history, given the song’s historical context, is just wrong. This is just an example of misguided attempts by whites to celebrate diversity while remaining basically ignorant about race issues. Sorry for the long digression; again, I love the show and while I know that you’ve covered the topic would love to see more discussion of whites’ misguided attempts at multiculturalism and “activism”.

]]> By: Rob http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-14439 Rob Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:28:44 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-14439 It's not about whether or not anyone believes what MTV is preaching; it's the fact that MTV, along with other media outlets, are trying to portray the nation as revolving around whites. It's a subtle form of white supremacy by brainwashing impressionable youth that minorities are not part of this nation. With that attitude, you can rationalize why minorities need to be included in American media at all. It’s not about whether or not anyone believes what MTV is preaching; it’s the fact that MTV, along with other media outlets, are trying to portray the nation as revolving around whites.

It’s a subtle form of white supremacy by brainwashing impressionable youth that minorities are not part of this nation.

With that attitude, you can rationalize why minorities need to be included in American media at all.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-14375 Daniel Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:43:40 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-14375 Hello. I was happily surprised to see another pod cast available today and I listened to it over lunch. The part that struck me the most was the early discussion with listener feedback that involved so called "unconscious racism." I have a hard time buying that one. I can not remember a time in my life where it did not become immediately evident that a person's philosophy rested entirely or exclusively on racist beliefs. I don't know that I am more or less perceptive to racism than anybody else, but I can easily see it in a person's words and their actions. Some people may me good at hiding their racism, but eventually, in some situation, their racist thoughts and beliefs will become obvious. Does anybody actually take MTV seriously? I was a teenager when the network launched and it was clearly an avenue for popular artists to get their music and their faces out to the public in the early eighties. Today’s MTV has morphed into a twisted, ludicrous caricature of youth-culture that seems to have no relevance with any group. Rather, I would theorize that MTV appeals to the lowest common denominator in everyone, making a mockery out of all of us in the process. I have a 19 year old daughter who is clearly within the intended demographic of MTV and she thinks the network and its shows are mostly ridiculous. Interestingly, she has noted that neither MTV or any other network accurately reflects the presence of biracial or multiracial people in our society. This is very ironic considering that the current group of Americans between the ages of 12 and 25 are arguably the largest group of multiracial youth in the history of our country. I would like to suggest a topic for future discussion. It is difficult to summarize, but a short name that I have developed for it is “racial universalism.” There seems to be many writers and bloggers today who postulate various theories as if racial groups are all of one thought or set of beliefs based on race. Besides the obvious irony of this being an essentially racist belief, it does a real disservice to people who are not easily pigeon-holed into a particular niche based on their skin color, ethnic background, etc. If I make a judgment about an Asian woman, for example, based exclusively or mainly on the simple fact that she appears to be Asian, I am being a racist. It makes no difference if my comment is positive or negative. It is wrong right from the start if it comes from my observation of race. If I make the same type of judgment about any other person based on their skin color or ethnicity, I am being racist, period. I don’t make such judgments because they lack intellectual honesty and they are harmful. By the same token, I would wish that people not make such judgments about me based on the same superficial observations. There is no easy answer for all of the problems we experience with racism today, but I am certain that it will take all of us working together to abolish it from our culture. If we continue to work separately, we will sadly further the effect of racism and perhaps only swing the racist pendulum from one extreme to the other with no real solution materializing. I hope for a better day. Daniel Hello. I was happily surprised to see another pod cast available today and I listened to it over lunch. The part that struck me the most was the early discussion with listener feedback that involved so called “unconscious racism.” I have a hard time buying that one. I can not remember a time in my life where it did not become immediately evident that a person’s philosophy rested entirely or exclusively on racist beliefs. I don’t know that I am more or less perceptive to racism than anybody else, but I can easily see it in a person’s words and their actions. Some people may me good at hiding their racism, but eventually, in some situation, their racist thoughts and beliefs will become obvious.
Does anybody actually take MTV seriously? I was a teenager when the network launched and it was clearly an avenue for popular artists to get their music and their faces out to the public in the early eighties. Today’s MTV has morphed into a twisted, ludicrous caricature of youth-culture that seems to have no relevance with any group. Rather, I would theorize that MTV appeals to the lowest common denominator in everyone, making a mockery out of all of us in the process. I have a 19 year old daughter who is clearly within the intended demographic of MTV and she thinks the network and its shows are mostly ridiculous. Interestingly, she has noted that neither MTV or any other network accurately reflects the presence of biracial or multiracial people in our society. This is very ironic considering that the current group of Americans between the ages of 12 and 25 are arguably the largest group of multiracial youth in the history of our country.
I would like to suggest a topic for future discussion. It is difficult to summarize, but a short name that I have developed for it is “racial universalism.” There seems to be many writers and bloggers today who postulate various theories as if racial groups are all of one thought or set of beliefs based on race. Besides the obvious irony of this being an essentially racist belief, it does a real disservice to people who are not easily pigeon-holed into a particular niche based on their skin color, ethnic background, etc. If I make a judgment about an Asian woman, for example, based exclusively or mainly on the simple fact that she appears to be Asian, I am being a racist. It makes no difference if my comment is positive or negative. It is wrong right from the start if it comes from my observation of race. If I make the same type of judgment about any other person based on their skin color or ethnicity, I am being racist, period. I don’t make such judgments because they lack intellectual honesty and they are harmful. By the same token, I would wish that people not make such judgments about me based on the same superficial observations.
There is no easy answer for all of the problems we experience with racism today, but I am certain that it will take all of us working together to abolish it from our culture. If we continue to work separately, we will sadly further the effect of racism and perhaps only swing the racist pendulum from one extreme to the other with no real solution materializing. I hope for a better day.

Daniel

]]> By: Corbin http://www.addictedtorace.com/2007/02/12/atr-59-self-hatred-on-tyra-show-and-mtv-reality-02122007/comment-page-1/#comment-14351 Corbin Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:38:50 +0000 http://www.addictedtorace.com/?p=126#comment-14351 Hey I just wanted to correct myself about Stuyvesant's Demographics...I was a little off. The Student Body is 62.02% Asian/Pacific Islander 32.27% White 3.27% Hispanic 2.15% Black http://schools.nyc.gov/OurSchools/Region9/M475/AboutUs/Statistics/register.htm Hey I just wanted to correct myself about Stuyvesant’s Demographics…I was a little off. The Student Body is
62.02% Asian/Pacific Islander
32.27% White
3.27% Hispanic
2.15% Black

http://schools.nyc.gov/OurSchools/Region9/M475/AboutUs/Statistics/register.htm

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