ATR 33 Pt 1 of 3 – August 3, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –

We’re back on the scene, crispy and clean! Here is the long-awaited special birthday episode of Addicted to Race, in honor of our first anniversary. Actually, the final thing ended up being about 3 hours long, so we’re splitting the episode into 3 parts. Here’s the first installment. Part 2 will be released next week and Part 3 will come out the week after that.

By the way, the sound levels from me and Jen were really unbalanced. I tried to clean it up as best I could in post-production, but there was only so much I could do. :( But please stick it out, I promised it’s a fun episode!

Here’s a round-up of the favorite moments we cover in this first installment of our anniversary episode:

Carmen’s rant in episode 12 about the stupid stereotypes about Asian men and women propagated by the media

Jen’s rant in episode 4 about the silly food analogies used to symbolize mixed race heritage. From fried chicken and latkes to watermelon sushi, from paella with soy sauce to jalapeno bagels, Jen poked fun at all of it.

Carmen’s interview with Debra Dickerson, author of “The End of Blackness” in episode 16

Jen’s rant in episode 13 about the oppression olympics: the way various racial and ethnic group try to claim that they have it the worst

Jen’s interview with Alice Sandosaraj in episode 18 about the concept of the model minority and how it impacts Asian-Americans and African-Americans.

Tune in next week for Part 2 of the anniversary episode! :)

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3 thoughts on “ATR 33 Pt 1 of 3 – August 3, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –”

  1. I was looking for interesting promos to play on my podcast and I followed a link to ATR. I immediately found the concept vaguely interesting because I’ve been in an interracial relationship for a dozen years. But I guess unsurprisingly I didn’t have to listen long before I found myself in severe disagreement with some of your opinions. In fact, all I had to do was listen to your PROMO.

    You talk about people getting DNA tests and thinking “it explains all these things in their lives like…no wonder I’ve always been such a great dancer.’”

    And go on to say “if you’re feeling a little bit offended right now, you should because that is the point. These so-called realizations that people are trying to tie back to their black ancestry are pretty much always based on the worst racist stereotypes. Stuff like ‘all black people have rythm.’”

    Sorry, but how is that a “racist stereotype”? It is a generalization to be sure. But at last check, having rythm was not considered a negative trait in almost any culture. Similarly, if someone states that people of African ancestry are typically better athletes, while that may be a generalization, it is hardly a negative one, nor certainly racist. The percentages of black athletes in truly athletic sports like football, basketball, and track and field, all but makes the point academic.
    So let’s take a potentially more offensive stereotype (mostly from days past): Black people enjoy watermelon. Now this is an ugly one that immediately conjures up nasty racial images in our heads. And yet, aside from the fact that racist hate groups co-opted it as means of an insult, how exactly is it a negative? What’s wrong with liking watermelon? I sure like it. Don’t you? And in the South, where it’s ubiquitous in Summer months, just about everyone, back and white, views it as a refreshing, relatively healthy treat. So suggesting that black people like watermelon in disproportionate numbers to whites (or other races) probably isn’t even an accurate generalization, but neither is it a harmful racial stereotype. Not unless consumption of melon can somehow be proven a function of ethical or moral decay (which I think is a bit of a stretch).

    Ditto for physical traits like thick (or full) lips and nappy hair; which while certainly not applying to ALL black people, applies to a large enough percentage to make it an accurate generalization. And guess what? Neither trait is a NEGATIVE! That is unless you think full lips are inferior to thin ones; or that nappy hair is inferior to straight hair. (Personally I have both traits, and while I like my full lips, I wouldn’t at all mind more manageable hair).
    Now there are certainly negative (and yes “racist) stereotypes out there relating to every race. The stereotype that Jews are greedy is quite negative because human beings (the ratings of The Apprentice to the contrary) view greed as a negative trait. But while the belief that Jews like bagels is a generalization (surely some don’t) it’s not racist unless you think there’s something corrupting about eating bagels.
    When black people refer to white people as “white devils” that is neither a stereotype or a generalization (partly because the Devil is only a concept), but it is a racial slur. Racial because it is reserved for whites, and a slur because in a Christian society (and Muslim as well) the Devil carries some rather negative baggage. A little too much in fact to consider the term “white devil” as complimentary.

    In conclusion…

    You’re simply following conventional (and flawed) wisdom, instead of reaching your own (and one would hope) more profound and insightful conclusions. It’s well-worn defensiveness without an updated application of logic.

    Please do better.

  2. Positive stereotypes to me are still negative to me.Why should someone except a specific stereotypes as positive.Some of the same people who say blacks are good at sport or great dancers will turn around and claim black are the least intellegent race and better equipped for phyical rather then mental work(not saying you think that roberto).I’ve heard this more then once.So I’m not so quick to except any stereotypes, even if they are “positive”.

  3. I am writing this in response to Roberto’s post. I find the notion that black people are physically superior human beings has proved as a detriment to black people because many people will not give blacks the opportunity to prove themselves as intelligent human beings as well. All too often I have heard that when there is a group of people and there are a few black people present in the group they will talk about investing, real estate, medicine, technology, and etc… but when they start to speak to or include the black people they will focus on sports or sex. I do not find that positive at all. And if everyone loves watermelon so much and it isn’t stereotyping southern blacks in the a negative light then why do all of the lawn jockeys that are popular in the southern states that sit on front lawns always depict a black person with enormous lips chomping down on a piece of watermelon? Have you ever seen a white figure eating watermelon? Why are all of those ugly little figures black with big lips which incorporates another stereotype? The term white devils is also offensive and it’s use needs to be curtailed as well. So far as the ATR cast just repackaging the same old arguments I do agree that some of the material they present has been brought up before but, they do make it interesting and have brought on several guests and have recommended books and movies that I have not read or seen before some of which I found to be interesting. Also the fact that they offer an open forum by allowing listener feedback and reading the feedback on the air is a good thing. It is just part of life that you may disagree with things people say and feel but, it is part of learning when you can discuss your views openly. Addicted to Race is a good thing and I hope they keep it up!

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