ATR 32 – July 17, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –

The coded ways people talk about race without appearing to talk about race is the subject of Carmen’s rant today. For more on this topic, check out Ally Work’s post with excerpts from Uprooting Racism: How White People Can Work for Racial Justice by Paul Kivel. To see the correspondence that sparked this rant, see here, here, here and here.

Jen discusses several recent news items: a controversial Sony PSP ad released in the Netherlands, the potential HBO comedy series that may arise from Angela Nissel’s Mixed: My Life in Black and White, and a recent Essence magazine article chock-full of stereotypes about interracial relationships.

We left a blooper/outtake in this episode. See if you can spot it. ;)

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8 thoughts on “ATR 32 – July 17, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –”

  1. Sometimes a sausage is just a sausage.

    If you are the only ones that are detecting said “code” maybe the people that wrote it aren’t using code but are speaking authentically.

    Freud is kinda passé now

  2. Julie, I had the same reaction. General statements about hip-hop culture aren’t necessarily more accurate than general statements about black youth, but separating the two removes the assumptions that 1) all black youth subscribe to hip-hop culture, and 2) all hip-hoppers are young and black. I don’t think it’s “code” at all – I think it’s criticism, if not more accurate, at least more accurately directed.

  3. Among others, there are two critical things that make the immigration debate and Civil Rights Movement different. For one, many protesters during the Civil Rights Movement were sought out, hosed down, otherwise attacked, lynched and otherwise killed for attempting the most minor of non-violent tactics. And two, these assaults occurred to American citizens with Constitutional rights. As cruel as this reality is, today’s immigrants are seeking opportunities in another country that were never promised them.

    While I will happily walk aside immigrants during their struggles, it is definitely frustrating that some people co-opt a movement about which they appear to know little. Those structuring the “immigration movement” should find a suitable and unique name for their cause, while pulling from the successes of those movements before them.

    In their effort to annihilate Black people, the innumerous lynchings during Reconstruction should not be compared to the Jewish Holocaust. And while Martin Luther King used many of Mahatma Ghandi’s civil disobience tactics, I would not say that the Civil Rights Movement is largely comparable to the Indian Independence Movement. Each event has varying historical, political and social aspects that make them distinct and separate.

  4. I understand why African Americans are angry, that immigrant are using words the civil rights to describe their movement, but you have to understand that many of them are being denied stay in this country because of skin color and where the countries they are from. As an immigrant I can tell you it hard to get legalized because well. I’m Haitian and usually the US Government do not favor us, cause to them our country has no major problem. It’s crazy, I’d dared them to go to Haiti and see how safe it is . It is not that we don’t want to fight for our countries to change, it is hard to fight when your own government is so vile and corrupt, it is hard when you no have freedom period and you and your family need to survive, it is hard when you might die for a dream that may never come true. I hate to be pessimistic but for a lot of these countries it is going to take too many years for them to change. Every time I see what is going on in Haiti It breaks my heart.We are not escaping our countries we are escaping crime, misery, injustice, hunger. we are trying to gain the rights that every human being desires. I love my country, but I could never go back,not right now anyways. The memories I have of haiti is of always is that of always being terrified Now that i’m in America I truly have a future.I can accomplish my potential unfortunatly there are millions of Other brilliant people that will never get that chance because they were born in the wrong country.

  5. Question….Without addressing the validity of the stereotypes themselves, why do you guys express such frustration to stereotypes that some black men marry white women due to their own negative self-image (or to get back at “whitey” or whatever the Essence stereotype du jour is), but you readily accept the stereotype that some white men marry Asian women to fulfill their fantasies about passive and erotic/exotic QP dolls? Unless I missed it, I’ve never heard it stated that you are tired of the White Man-Asian Women stereotype nor that it is possible that some Black men indeed marry White women because of self-hate. What gives?

  6. Immigrantion Cause and Civil Rights Movement Not Largely the Same

    Like the overuse of the Holocaust, many groups, from gay rights to animal rights, neutralize the significance of the Civil Rights Movement and slavery for
    their own causes. It robs each event of its unique history when one broadly connects his/her own cause to another.

    I will stand by anyone who brings a decent work effort to this country in search of opportunity – particularly if this demand is not being filled by American citizens. It is also recognized that by the luck of the draw some people are born in more open, less dictorial societies and others are not. Pure luck and fate.

    Speaking of WNYC podcasts, I hope you don’t mind my mentioning the excellent Brian Lehrer series on immigration, although the site is acting flaky at the time of this posting.

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