ATR 16 – Feb 20, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 – addictedtorace@gmail.com

RANT:
The ridiculous ways people talk about race is the subject of Jen’s rant today. Not only is race constantly sensationalized, but people talk about as if we were still living in the 1950s!

MIXED MEDIA WATCH NEWS UPDATE:
Hell has officially frozen over! Hollywood has produced a movie about interracial relationships that we actually like! Jen and Carmen review the film “Something New”–a romantic comedy starring Sanaa Lathan and Simon Baker.

INTERVIEW WITH DEBRA DICKERSON:
Finally, Carmen will interview Debra Dickerson, author of the controversial book The End of Blackness

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25 thoughts on “ATR 16 – Feb 20, 2006 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 – addictedtorace@gmail.com”

  1. I do not know why people try so hard to imitate John Howard Griffin – to this day, I still feel that he is the only person who truly used innovative reporting to try and find out what the reality was behind the racial divide – and this book was published in 1959! I wonder why we haven’t progressed since Black Like Me’s publication, and why we feel the need to keep playing roles.

  2. I am a fan of your show ladies and have heard all the episodes and generally even when I don’t agree with everything you say It is always thoughtful. But your interview with Debra Dickerson was disapointing, she was allowed to get away with statments about Black Men that went unchallenged by both of you. Her rant on the gender wars between Black Men and Black Women and her solutions to them was simplistic at best and antagonistic at worst.If a Black Male said those things about Black Women, you ladies and Dickerson would be leading the charge and commenting on Black Men and their White Female fetish and self- hate attitude but she was able to inject her bitterness towards Black Men throughout the last 10 minutes of the interview. Ms. Dickerson is married to a white guy so I don’t think she has a moral right to comment about same race relationships or Black Men in particular because she gave up that right to comment when she married outside the race. I agree with her on Black Sexism and Patriachy should be fought tooth and nail (what little there is in Black America.) But I would have have asked her this question ladies, 69% of all Black American Children are raised by Black Women, many are raisng Black Boys why do these boys grow up and hate Black Women so much as Dickerson asserts in her interview, It can’t be society because in the last 25 years black women have made great strides and the roles have revesred. So it has to be the way Black Women raised these boys why was there no debate on this issue?

  3. quote: “Ms. Dickerson is married to a white guy so I don’t think she has a moral right to comment about same race relationships or Black Men in particular because she gave up that right to comment when she married outside the race. ”

    I wonder if this person would say the same thing about Quincy Jones and Harry Belafonte. Since when does marrying outside the race strip away one’s ethnicity and right to speak?

    It’s funny how when Black women are malingned, you can hear crickets chirping instead of Black men defending them but heaven forbid if a Black woman is critical of some Black men, their feelings get hurt really quick and suddenly, they have a lot to say.

    I don’t agree with everything Ms. Dickerson says, but she raises many interesting points that are worth addressing.

  4. I wonder if this person would say the same thing about Quincy Jones and Harry Belafonte. Since when does marrying outside the race strip away one’s ethnicity and right to speak?

    It’s funny how when Black women are malingned, you can hear crickets chirping instead of Black men defending them but heaven forbid if a Black woman is critical of some Black men, their feelings get hurt really quick and suddenly, they have a lot to say.

    Because Yvonne, Quincy Jones and Harry Belafonte never said anything negative about black women and also it goes to Black Men Like Wesley Snipes who has made negative things about black women.

    I think you don’t have the right to comment about someone you have no romantic entanglements, I am sick and tired of some black women “playing the victim” when a black guy calls them out on a legitimate issue and black women know why there is sexism in the black community and it is not popular culture or Hip- Hop music.

    I will ask you the same question Yvonne I asked Ms. Dickerson, 69% of all black children are being raised by a black female and the child’s first teacher is a mother then shouldn’t these boys be more sensitive to the needs of women and If there is a war between black men and black women shouldn’t black women take responsiblity for the way their some of their male chilren turned out?

  5. QUOTE: “Quincy Jones and Harry Belafonte never said anything negative about black women and also it goes to Black Men Like Wesley Snipes who has made negative things about black women.”

    But they’re still allowed (like all the rest of us) to speak about “black issues.” If she were dating a mixed race person, could she then only that the “right” to speak about the issue part of the time? I find it funny that in the interview Ms. Dickerson spoke about how black men have become sacred cows that no one is allowed to criticise yet it seems to be the only thing in the interview that you felt the need to comment on.

    QUOTE: “If there is a war between black men and black women shouldn’t black women take responsiblity for the way their some of their male chilren turned out? ”

    Yep, about as much responsiblity as the absent father and an social system still choked with racism.

  6. But they’re still allowed (like all the rest of us) to speak about “black issues.” If she were dating a mixed race person, could she then only that the “right” to speak about the issue part of the time? I find it funny that in the interview Ms. Dickerson spoke about how black men have become sacred cows that no one is allowed to criticise yet it seems to be the only thing in the interview that you felt the need to comment on.

    And how are Black Men scared cows when there has been whole forrests dedicated to studying black male deficences,from the left, right, center, feminist in the last 30 years, black male privilege may have true 40 years ago but Black America is now a “patriachal” society and women run black america from it’s churches to the politcal mcahines.

    All I said is that If a black person like Dickerson, who has no romantic entanglements (and I assume yourself Yvonne) with Black Men or Black Women you should not comment about someone you claim to not to like or date. Same race relationships must be resolved by Black Men and Black Women who want to be in those relationships not an someone in a mixed realtionship preaching from up high.

    Mixed couples want people not to question their love and choices but when we as Black Men wantthat same choice to be “judged on our character” and we question certain people’s motives IR couples go ballistic. You Black Women /Black Men can date whomever you want, but If you really want to help Black Americans

    1. Mentor a black child
    2. Join a anti – racism group
    3. vote
    4. sponsor a inner city school
    5. form a anti- sexism group with black men concerned about images in our media and how they affect our young people.

  7. “Not to disrespect my peoples but my poppa was a loser
    Only plan he had for momma was to fvck her and abuse her
    Even as a little seed, I could see his plan for me
    Stranded on welfare, another broken family
    Now what was I to be, a product of this heated passion
    Momma got pregnant, and poppa got a piece of azz
    Look how it began, nobody gave a fvck about me” – Tupac, “Still I Rise”

    “Virtually every major social pathology has been linked to fatherless children: violent crime, drug and alcohol abuse, truancy, unwed pregnancy, suicide, and psychological disorders—all correlating more strongly with fatherlessness than with any other single factor.”

    2/3 of Black babies are now born to unwed mamas. This is after unprecedented gains in civil rights after the 60s – and over twice the current national average. So, why is this stat worse now than before when Blacks were still far more oppressed under White institutionalized racism? Is personal irresponsibility the price of greater freedom? Whose fault is this? Black men, black women, da White man?

  8. ( quote) 2/3 of Black babies are now born to unwed mamas. This is after unprecedented gains in civil rights after the 60s – and over twice the current national average. So, why is this stat worse now than before when Blacks were still far more oppressed under White institutionalized racism? Is personal irresponsibility the price of greater freedom? Whose fault is this? Black men, black women, da White man?

    Personal irresoponsiblity in the price of greater freedom and events that could not have anticpated

    1. Women’s Movement

    2. Loving v State of Virgina

    3. Class and social stratifcation amongst black americans

    4. Lack of commonality between BM/BW in education and values.

    5. Result of racial policies from Jim Crow era.

    6. The tragedy of the modern drug war

    7. Options that upper class BM/BF do not have to marry inside the race as the result of the Civil Rights Movement

    Well Freedom’s a messy buisness

  9. Quote: All I said is that If a black person like Dickerson, who has no romantic entanglements (and I assume yourself Yvonne) with Black Men or Black Women you should not comment about someone you claim to not to like or date. Same race relationships must be resolved by Black Men and Black Women who want to be in those relationships not an someone in a mixed realtionship preaching from up high.

    Of course you assume that but you’re not correct. I’ll just leave it at that, there’s no point in arguing with you.

  10. (quote) Of course you assume that but you’re not correct. I’ll just leave it at that, there’s no point in arguing with you.

    After 10 years after the Million Man March, Sister I am Sorry vol 1,2,3 Books by Black Men saying how much they love black women there’s no appeasing you Black Women Yvonne.

    Black Men have been going to Promise Keepers groups on how they can be better husbands and fathers for Black Women and our children and it’s never enough. I say the last ten years of Black Men trying to reconcile with Black Women has been one crap stain on toilet paper and frankly you can eat it.

  11. Those who cannot handle the responsibility of freedom…will have it stripped away.

    I think the 60s personal “liberation” era led to a societal breakdown in the next (this) generation…which will lead to a coming po1ice state l0ckdown in the next.

    Remember, there always exists a precarious balance between the good of the individual vs the good of society – although both are ultimately tied together in the end.

    Sadly, we will be reviled in the future as the generation that had it all…and threw it all away. Gawd damn us. It’s time we looked at the bigger picture…and in the mirror.

  12. Clearly, in the post-60s animalistic dating jungle, our human worth has all been reduced to our gross sexual value. Just watch any rap video. Men want porn stars, women want rich thugs. BET and the NBA have replaced the NAACP as the de-facto “Black-repping” organizations. And educated Black women have now been relegated to over-qualified mammy’s.

    Some of the men she’s met have little interest in working, preferring to seek out women who will support them–”a rag-head on your couch,” she calls them, conjuring up images of the lead character in Baby Boy, John Singletons story of a seductive predator who lives off his girlfriends.

    “The pain of being alone is so great that you go into denial,” says Mattocks, “so you can get up and go to work the next day” Most of her friends have given up thoughts of marriage.

    black women, who now receive twice as many college degrees as black men

    Black women earn twice as many master’s degrees, 50 percent more PhDs, and 50 percent more degrees in law, medicine, and dentistry. What’s more, the gap is widening. If current trends continue, 20 years from now black women attending college will outnumber their male counterparts by three to one.

    More than half of black female college graduates are married to men who don’t have degrees (for whites, the figure is 31 percent). Four percent are married to men who haven’t even graduated from high school.

    Today, fully half of black women between the ages of 20 and 24 have children, which most raise on their own.

    Robert Hill, author of The Strengths of Black Families, doubts that much will change and cites the example of the black church: Women are in the majority, they head up most of the church clubs and contribute most of the money, yet men make most of the decisions

    22 states now help welfare mothers attend college

    One and a half times as many black men are in prison as in college.

  13. (quote)One and a half times as many black men are in prison as in college

    Shonda,there are 18 million black men of African descent in america 2 million people are in jail/parole and one million of those are black men. Now you are telling me that out od 17 million black men there are no good ones, Please give me a break.

    Now there are more Black Women with advanced degrees than black men but Women of all races are getting advanced degrees in higher numbers than their male counterparts.

    Shonda,Black Women run black america from the church to the national leadership.As I see it, black women think the only worthwhile Black Men are professional ones, and if that’s the case then intermarriage should be your option because of the education disparity between us because it is not about love but what job your boyfriend or husband has.

    I think Black Americans of both genders are in a war of sorts, when they see Kobe Bryant or Terrence Howard or some educated BM they see character, but the BM who HAS a working class job and has hobbies like art, antiques, has no character in women Like Debra Dickerson because they are living their lives. not in the public glare.

    Well get all the white men (or men of other races you want) WW are having the same problems in their love lives, and they are going to have to make decisions on the type of men they want after going to school for 8- 10 years and “no one on their level”.

  14. “…our human worth has all been reduced to our gross sexual value. Just watch any rap video…”
    Hey Shonda, just DON’T watch any rap video – unless you WANT to be miseducated and want to perpetuate the miseducation of our young people, who believe the crap they see and are influenced by it. Want to plant the seeds of a less confused, more enlightened generation? Boycott the present format of rap videos, I say. It’s a start.

  15. does anyone know about the personal liberation in the 60s?
    im a desperate chinese so please help me!!!!!!!!!!!! :) xiexie (thank u, in chinese)

  16. someone please help me…does anyone know about the “personal liberation”..took place in the 60s!!
    helphelphelp!

  17. I THINK THAT WE SHOULDNT BE SO INTO WHETHER WE WANT OUR BABIES TO LOOK PREETY SO WE WANT A BLACK MAN OR WOMAN WITH A WHITE MAN OR WOMAN. WE SHOULD JUST LOVE EACH OTHER AND STOP MAKING RACISUM SO REDICULAS!

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