ATR 12 – Jan 9, 2005 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –

The stupid stereotypes about Asian men and women perpetuated by the media is the subject of Carmen’s rant today.

Jen counts down the top trends of 2005 that we’ve tracked on Mixed Media Watch: DNA tests, hate crimes, celebrities talk about race, how can I be racist? I’m in an interracial relationship!, blackface is back, race still black and white only, more products for mixed people and families.

Jen and Carmen discuss why parents should talk about race with their mixed kids even if there are no apparent “issues” or problems. Check out Jen’s article on the topic here.

Carmen interviews Sheridan Prasso, author of The Asian Mystique: Dragon Ladies, Geisha Girls, & Our Fantasies of the Exotic Orient

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Here’s a look at the next episode:
1) Jen will rant about the “Oppression Olympics”: how various communities try to out-victim each other.
2) Mixed Media Watch news round-up.
3) We’ll interview Kwame Anthony Appiah, author of the new book Cosmopolitanism: Ethics in a World of Strangers.

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24 thoughts on “ATR 12 – Jan 9, 2005 – Voicemail 206-203-3983 –”

  1. Dear Carmen and Jen,

    Thanks for addressing the whole “for Black, by Blacks” cop out. I’m a black woman and I hate hearing that dismissal of white people or other people of colors’ perceptions about race. It’s also a way for black men to dismiss many black women’s observations about racism and sexism within the black community. So I’m glad you challenged those responses from your Boondocks review. Oh and thanks for reading my email on your podcast!

    Love the show,

  2. Hey, sorry I don’t have time to write a long reply, but I just wanted to say, once again, I love your show!! I was feeling kinda down this past week, having been sick and so on, and listening to your show really picked me up. Thanks!

  3. Once again, thanks for a fantastic episode!
    Regarding the rant on Asian stereotypes and the portrayal of Asian and Asian-Americans in the media and the idea that Asians are not able to save themselves… and therefore have to be saved by a white person or a black person as seen in the movie “Crash” goes back to the overlying idea that people of Asian ethnicity in the United States have been and still are considered foreigners. Until this issue is resolved, I think we are going to continue seeing the same stories over and over in the media…
    Also, another question, totally unrelated regarding the portrayal of mixed people in the media… carmen, perhaps you might have seen this article because you were living in asia for a while (sorry i don’t know when you moved to nyc from hk)… when i was living in japan i subscribed to time magazine (they put out a different publication in various locations around the world hence why i can’t find it here). this was a few years ago and because i am back in the united states, i am unable to find the article/magazine. anyway, the article which was featured was titled something along the lines of “all mixed up” and discussed a variety of women who were half-asian half-white who were making it big with their “exotic” looks. the cover was a picture of all of these famous women scantily dressed yada yada yada… i don’t really have to describe it to you, i’m sure you can imagine. anyway, it took an article that COULD have had purpose by discussing the success of mixed people in the media and/or the growing mixed population and instead objectified these women and continued to perpetuate the idea of people of mixed heritage being “mixed up” or confused… sorry i had to rant!
    thanks again for all your excellent work!

  4. hi again…
    ok, big apologies r/ the article i referenced before in TIMEAsia. ok, the cover and the title were awful, but the material actually addressed some interesting points. however, i initially was unable to get past the cover and the title to read the article… precisely the problem.
    anyway, for what it’s worth, here’s a link to the actual article:,9754,106427,00.html

    thanks once again for addressing so many important issues… without getting too serious! while you have commented that in earlier issues you guys giggled too much, i appreciate the laughter. when dealing with such important issues many of us can get tense and angry. it’s important to remember not to always take life too seriously!

  5. Great podcast on Asian stereotypes, and great website (I’m a first time visitor). It’s funny, that you guys talked about the absence of Asian guys in MTV reality shows. Just over the weekend, I saw two (YES 2!) episodes of “Room Raiders” where an Asian guy got to choose a woman for a date based on her apartment. The first episode showed a Korean American guy, but the second episode was interesting, because it involved a Vietnamese guy, who ended up choosing an Indian woman (the other two were white). His reasoning for choosing her was that she was in touch with her heritage, and that was important to him. I thought that was cool.

    But guess what? That same day, I saw an episode of “Next” where an Asian guy got to choose amongst 5 women. He ended up choosing a blonde girl from UC Irvine, who said she dated Asian guys almost exclusively.

    Wow! I never thought I would see the day. Anyway, great website and keep up the podcasts.

  6. Keep up the good work. I’m an Asian American male who throughout his childhood was so frustrated by being defined by the society out there. Of course, before you say that we shouldn’t let others define us, please realize that as young teenagers, most if not all people are strongly influenced by our media and peer influences.

    Anyways, I’m glad people in Asian America are still working hard on dispelling stereotypes to the advantage of folks like me. Now I’ve long forgone any imposed stereotypes, as since college I’ve forged my own identity from experiences living in Asia. I wonder what how you transitioned from living there back to the US? As for me, I’ve long since given up caring about the state of Asian Americans in the US, possibly because it WAS so frustrating as a child. I probably identify myself as Chinese to my white peers, since my theory is that for most Americans to accept our ethnicity, they must respect and accept our cultural heritage first. So when they identify Asians as strong, independent or ‘normal’, they can then move to accept Asian Americans as such. That’s my theory.

    What I disdain, thus, is Asian Americans who attempt to gain acceptance by mentally distancing themselves from ‘Asians’, using the derogatory ‘FOBs’ as a safe barrier to divide the line between an acceptable identity.

    Enough of my rants. I just wanted to let you gals know that you are pretty relaxing, articulate, personable and talented.

  7. One other thing in reference to your comments on ‘Deuce Bigelow’, I just want to talk about the penis issue. It seems the common Asian American response is that those stereotypes are stupid and demeaning. Nowhere do people actually take on the stereotypes directly.

    I don’t want to dwell on this issue, but I’ll just post it here once and for all just to put this issue to bed, no pun intended.

    On average, Asian men have slightly smaller penises than whites, who are smaller (on average) than blacks. What does that mean? That means the differences between average Asians and whites are about .5 inches.

    BUT… This is the new information you all don’t understand, in which few if any studies have been done (of course, these studies just aren’t done). Asians in general have the hardest erections, which implies a more intense blood flow. Blacks on average have less hard erections. In your own discoveries, I’m willing to bet that hardness has as much impact on sexual gratification as a marginal difference in size.

    So what does that mean? It means God apparently balanced out the world. Yes, in terms of penis quality, we’re all equal. Of course, there are a lot of variations within each race, but since we want to just state averages, here it is. Just relax, guys. Nothing separates the races.

  8. “That means the differences between average Asians and whites are about .5 inches.”

    Well, not sure where you pulled that out of, but my guess would be closer to about 1/4″.

    Keep in mind though that Asians now drink a lot of soy – which in underprocessed forms contains a lot of potent phytoestrogens which can demasculinize and stunt penis growth. Were diets equalized, any statistical differences might disappear.

    Well, 1/2″ or 1/4″, point is when they joke about 2″ penii – the racism is in the ridiculous exaggeration. Many Americans actually believe that Asians average 3″ or 4″ cocks due to such racist hyperbolizations!

    BTW, I am Asian and closer to 7″, with a rock-hard woody that stands almost straight up (a rare trait amongst non-Asians). In fact, my White ex thought it was unusual that it stood straight up – little did she know that that is actually a sign of a harder, superior erection unseen amongst most men. And I attribute this to the application of ancient Chinese health theories..

  9. Ok you guys are going waaay too overboard with this penis size/hardness deal don’t you think?The size or stiffness, doesn’t make men any more or less manly lol……

  10. Of course not. Being a man requires a myriad of attributes. I just don’t think constantly saying “size/hardness doesn’t matter” has not helped dispell stereotypes.

    The difference is between saying:
    1. “Stereotypes don’t matter” (when they clearly do)
    2. “This stereotype is inaccurate, if not plain wrong.”

    Anyways, I didn’t want to dwell on this issues; just wanted to reiterated my point.

  11. It may not dispell stereotypes,but I honestly think it does not matter in the long run.I’m not making light of asian male stereotypes, especially some of the points you made above.It’s just when I hear of things like “superior erection” or hardness, and what race has the most of what,you kind of lost me and the topic became less serious, at least to me…

  12. Hey Jen & Carmen,

    I am playing catch up with ATR (just bought my tee-shirt!) and I had to pause my podcast and write about the excellent coverage you are providing on Asians in the media. I am an African-American female, but I have watched with interest the struggle for identity and media representation that other ethnic groups fight for.

    As much as I love Better Luck Tomorrow, I would like to share with your readers one of my favorite shows, “Popcorn Zen.” It is currently being shown on the AZN network (though comcast may or may not yank the network). The show features short films by Asians and South Asians. I enjoy watching it because the films do not claim to represent Asian culture – even though many of the films feature issues of Asian identity and have Asian casts. What intrigues me the most is watching the portrayal of other minorities and their interactions with Asian culture.

    I blogged a bit about it:

    The entry is called “Julani, help!”

    If you care to read more, feel free to visit.

    Your show continually challenges my thought process, and I appreciate your efforts to bring consciousness to the masses!

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  14. im tired of people looking down on asian men and the stupid stereotypes that people use for basically anyone. my friend was shocked when i said i was dating an asian guy and she was like, honey, i heard asian guys have small blahblah and also that they are not good at sex. i was pissed about her remark because my man is good in bed and he keeps me happy and he is more open about his feelings than i am. i just wish that people would stop looking at asian men as weak because they are not and they are just as strong as any other man.

  15. This comment has been deleted by the moderator. Please do not create multiple identities/personalities for yourself. If you have something to say, pick one identity and stick with it please.

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